FINTECH FRIDAY$ (EP.8-Sep 7): Institutionalization of Crypto, China’s Ban and the Potential of Blockchain Decentralization with Juwan Lee, Founder and CEO of NexChange

Share

NCFA Canada | Sep 7, 2018

Ep8-Sep 7:  Institutionalization of Crypto, China's Ban and the Potential of Blockchain Decentralization

About this episode: On this episode, our host Manseeb Khan sits down with Juwan Lee the founder and CEO of NexChange. They talked about institutions investing in crypto, some the up and coming players in the market and China being pro blockchain. Enjoy!

Host: Manseeb Khan, NCFA, Fintech Fridays show host

Guest: Juwan Lee, Founder and CEO, NexChange

Bio:  Juwan Lee is an entrepreneur, VC, blockchain and finte professional with three decades of investment industry portfolios and organizations on behalf of multi-billion dollar hedge funds, proprietary trading desks, asset management and venture capital firms.  He is the Founder and CEO  of NexChange, a venture innovation platform, CEO  of Arrakis Ventures and co-Founder and Director of the Blockchain Centre of Hong Kong. He is a co-founder of tokenScale, a blockchain accelerator created in partnership with brinc. Along with Cyberport, he co-created the Fintech O2O brand. His firm,  NexChange, created the Block O2O brand connecting the global blockchain sector and the Healthtech O2O brand for the healthtech community.  Mr Lee was formerly the CIO of the largest Shanghai-based asset management firm. He spent numerous years at JP Morgan in a variety of roles from principal investments to heading equity within the asset management division. As an early pioneer in managing technology portfolios he worked with SAC  Capital, Osprey, Rothschilds and Montgomery. He funded many star companies in Silicon Valley (including Netscape, Yahoo and Eidos - Tomb Raider), Taiwan's Hsinchu Science Park, Bangalore India, Korea and Israel.

Join NCFA's weekly Podcast series 'FINTECH FRIDAY$' where we sit down with the incredible people in the Fintech community and talk about leading fintech products innovations developments and challenges!

Subscribe and tune in each Friday to check out the latest movers and shakers in fintech.

Listen to more Fintech Fridays podcasts here


Transcription of Interview

Manseeb Khan : Hey everybody, Manseeb Khan here and you are tuning in to the NCFA's newest podcast series Fintech Fridays. Today I have an absolutely incredible guest with me. He's an incredibly busy man. You may have seen some of the stuff online because he's very big in the block chain, crypto space. Today I have Juwan Lee. Thank you so much for making it today. With all the delays everything you still made it. I'm very thankful.

Juwan Lee: Well Manseeb, thank you so much for having me. I'm so glad to be here.

Manseeb Khan : No absolutely. So, for the audience, for the I'm pretty sure three or four people that have no idea who you are. Could you just for a minute give us a little bit of your background and a little bit more of who you are and what your company does?

Juwan Lee: Yes sure. Well my background originally stems from investing. I spent many years in the Silicon Valley. venture capital and late stage investments and then did money management and hedge funds asset management. So, my background is mostly in investments. The company that I started about four and a half years ago is called NexChange and we are ecosystem as a service and people always ask me what does that mean. Well we're in the innovation space and we do a number of things we either market invest or create innovative products

Manseeb Khan : Awesome. So, I guess going through some of your past successes you've been you've been a very early Yahoo. And Netscape guy so could you. And being very much in the Crypto and blockchain space could you give us a little bit more insight of where you see the market going when it comes towards crypto?

Juwan Lee: Well I think the first thing I would say is that it's very early stages of crypto. It's really if you look at the size of it. I mean the price of Ethereum the price of Bitcoin has come down dramatically. So, the size is about 200 billion. So, when you compare that to the size of capital markets which is based on our estimates over five hundred trillion. I mean this is tiny and where we've seen is a kind of the normal growth pattern that you see in any form of technology. We saw Bitcoin have come down precipitously in price. I think it was driven by a number of things. You know ICO prices have come down dramatically. The use case Tokens have come into question. And you know just sheerly the idea of building community with entrepreneurs that have very little experience. So, a lot of things have in the short term come into question. However, this is a viable industry. We're in the early stages and either I'm very excited about the bright future for cryptocurrency and the decentralization world of blockchain.

Manseeb Khan: That was 500 trillion you said?

Juwan Lee: 5 trillion is the size of capital markets when you include real estate, gold, bonds you know equity as a very large market this is not cryptocurrency. This is our current capital markets and other assets.

Manseeb Khan: I guess speaking of current assets and current capital markets how you see institutions being part of this new wave is that a very much evolve and die situation. Or how do you see them play a role. And if a factor in the new space.

Juwan Lee: Lot of people been talking about the institutionalization of the ICO market, but I think even more fundamental than that is the institutionalization of the crypto fund industry. We've seen a rapid increase in the number of funds. I think it's now over 400 U.S. is still the largest. Institutions are getting them all like traditional VCs setting up their own crypto funds. Some VC's are ear marking their assets for crypto projects. So, what we're seeing is a lot more interest from institutions to get into this space was appealing for them. Is this is a uncorrelated asset highly inefficient still. There's a lot of opportunity for Alpha and a new investable asset class so definitely we see evolution not a die situation.

Manseeb Khan: So, you are based out in China. So, could you just talk about a little bit more of we hear about in the news about the Chinese developments, Chinese regulations. I guess what that really means for North America.

Juwan Lee: Sure. So, I'm based in Hong Kong but just a stone's throw away from China recently. I was planning a trip to China and that same very day was the announcement that was made that all up crypto events were banned. Now you can imagine that if this happened in North America. The execution of that will be very difficult. But in China they were able to execute it very quickly. What does this mean. I believe that the prices of cryptocurrency coming down. I believe that just the amount of fraud and scams that put a lot of alert to China in terms of putting a stop to a lot of this.

Juwan Lee: But also, there's a dynamic to China that is very different than say in North America which is capital outflow. They want to control capital outflow, crypto currency something that they cannot control. This is something that's very important to them. What does this mean for North America. I believe in the very near future we'll start to see really more thought process and comments made about what can and cannot be done in the cryptos space and over the next that's you know one year or so we'll start to see a lot more what I call firmer a firm regulations that are at least self-regulating bodies creating guidelines that are much easier to follow for what is the best practices for cryptocurrency.

Manseeb Khan: No, I totally agree with you the execution of banning all crypto events in North America that just pulling that off in and of itself would be. Wow. I’d be very much impressive being.

Juwan Lee:  Well I mean that happened. Literally almost overnight. So, you can imagine the level of execution the government literally sent out a notice to all the hotels and public places where you can have events and it was done very quickly.

Manseeb Khan: I assume the crypto events managers was not too happy about that.

Juwan Lee: Well it's a bit like prohibition right. I mean people are still doing it and they're doing it in other venues and all of these activities that are being banned only provide you know other creative ways of finding out how to meet. And because you cannot stop the movement of crypto. you can just put roadblocks in place and oftentimes that creates more of demand than actual squashing of it.

Manseeb Khan: Right so they're just adding fuel to the flame that has crypto right? like they're just going to find new different ventures and opportunities to grow and expand because this is a never like a snowball. You can't really stop.

Juwan Lee: It's definitely a snowball.

Manseeb Khan: Do you see I guess China coming back probably in the future?

Juwan Lee: Well I think it's important to know that China is very pro block chain and the technology they promote that. is just crypto currency they're trying to control and ICO your market right. So, this is very important delineation. So, if you see the activity and the development of block chain and looking GitHub Shanghai and Beijing isn't the top you know four or five in the world in terms of the actual development. So that part has never slowed down in terms of their evolution and what they want to do with regulation. It was a surprise to many that he got even more strict and oftentimes before anything changes you you'll see a lot more stricter regulation until they figure out what they want to do. at this point. I don't have a real opinion about what the next steps will be. I am a firm believer that you know several years from now we will be able to coexist in China out with cryptocurrency and block chain.

Manseeb Khan : What institutional or hedge fund interest is there, and we do like kind of roping back to what I asked before right. And if there is any truly moving the needle right what is needed to ramp up interest or just are there any couple of examples that you can come up with. Are there any current players that you're kind of keeping an eye on or do you see any up and coming game changers in the space?

Juwan Lee: Well institutions are getting involved. But for them to get more involved you really need proper investment strategies that can scale. I already highlighted how small this space is in terms of overall size. proper risk management and also the volatility is way too high. So there's not much liquidity there's not the proper back office operation but I think what I think the single most important reason why more institutions have not gotten involved in the crypto space and investing in crypto funds is due to the problems of custody, the security behind it, the institutionalization right now is an experiment that most of the crypto funds are conducting. And you know large institutions cannot deploy assets into an asset class where they don't feel comfortable where the money is being held in terms of the number of players that are coming into the market. I think that this is an industry ripe for to I guess traditional managers to come in. One is the hedge fund managers have already started to come in and there some of the larger players that are in the market some of the former hedge fund managers and wealthy VCs coming in in the form of either setting up their own fund or carving out a piece from their own portfolio some of the more prominent names. I think if you look at the some of the largest crypto funds you see Pantera, Dan Morehead the CEO is a former Tiger Management hedge fund alum. And you know we've seen other hedge fund managers like Michael Novogratz from Galaxy. So, this is really a space that combines a couple of skills one skill is the ability to trade and understand the macro environment what's happening in the crypto space and the other one is finding early stage ideas whether venture capital have an advantage. So, if you have both of those backgrounds I see a lot of those kind of managers coming into this space in the future.

Manseeb Khan : What would be your golden nuggets for either up and coming crypto and blockchain companies. something that it could be something that  you got when you started on your early to the Silicon Valley and brought it over to Hong Kong . I guess what is your golden nugget that stood the test of time.

Juwan Lee: Well I think most importantly when we look at projects and we look at the execution and the actual outcome of what they become the most important thing is not the product is actually the timing of the product and also the management team. These are the things that are important. We all know that the beginning of a product and where eventually ends up will be vastly different. So, a management team has to be able to be flexible and execute according to the changes that take place. I believe that you know what we're seeing is a much higher-level management team coming in the ICO market and I also see that happening in the fund space as well. So, it's very promising.

Manseeb Khan : Yes, very excited to see the new movers and shakers the space and kind of see where it's what's going to happen in the next 18 to 24 months. Juwan, thank you so much for sitting down with me today. I know you have a crazy hectic schedule being one of the forerunners in the blockchain community. so, thanks so much for sitting down today. I had an incredible time and I am very excited to have you again.

Juwan Lee: Thank you very much and I love to come back again.

 

End of Podcast

 

Interested in getting involved as a partner or participant? info@ncfacanada.org

 


The National Crowdfunding & Fintech Association of Canada (NCFA Canada) is a cross-Canada non-profit actively engaged with fintech, alternative finance, blockchain, cryptocurrency, crowdfunding and online investing stakeholders globally. NCFA Canada provides education, research, industry stewardship, services, and networking opportunities to thousands of members and subscribers and works closely with industry, government, academia, community and eco-system partners and affiliates to create a strong and vibrant crowdfunding and fintech industry. Join Canada's Fintech & Funding Community today FREE! Or become a contributing member and get perks. For more information, please visit: ncfacanada.org

Jazzovation | Tim Booth | April 22, 2019 Wednesday, April 24, 2019 | 8:30pm Tim Booth’s Toronto Art Orchestra Advance $20.00 / Door $25.00 * One of Canada’s top jazz orchestras is returning to the Toronto stage in what will truly be an all-star event. Toronto Art Orchestra (TAO), led by bass trombonist and jazz educator Timothy Booth, includes many of Canada’s first-call jazz players, including Colleen Allen, Bruce Cassidy, Andrew McAnsh, and John McLeod. The ensemble features vocalists Jessica Lalonde and Tanya Wills. TAO will present the works of two of the greatest jazz orchestra composers of all time: Maria Schneider and Bob Brookmeyer. Attend in-person or online The Toronto Art Orchestra concert will also be video-streamed with professional production values by JazzOvation.org (formerly TheJazzBox.ca) — a platform for Canadian jazz composers and performers that currently serves more than 60 artists. Be on the lookout for a growing series of upcoming JazzOvation concerts, featuring the best of Toronto’s – and Canada’s – jazz artists, as they perform at our finest jazz venues. About Tim Booth Tim Booth has been on the Canadian music scene for over 30 years, performing with a wide array of groups in the Montreal and ...
Read More
April 24, 2019 (Toronto Live Jazz and Jazzovation launch):  Tim Booth’s Toronto Art Orchestra
US News | By Ben Luthi | Apr 12, 2019 Apple Pay is secure and convenient, as long as you use it correctly. No payment method is entirely safe from fraud. But Apple Pay provides cardholders with several layers of security that can protect against some common forms of credit card theft. If you want to try Apple Pay, knowing how it works is important as well as how your credit card information is safeguarded and what you can do to stay protected while using it. What Is Apple Pay? Apple Pay is a mobile wallet for Apple devices such as iPhones and Apple Watches that allows you to make purchases in stores, in apps and online securely without handing over your credit card information every time. See:  The growing cost of cybersecurity In a store, the mobile wallet uses near-field communication technology – it allows two devices placed within a few centimeters of each other to exchange data – to transmit your card information. You just need to verify your identity with the Touch ID or Face ID feature, then tap your device to the store's card reader to process the payment. To keep your information private, Apple Pay ...
Read More
Is Apple Pay Safe?
NCFA | Team FFCON19 | April 16, 2019 5th annual Fintech and Financing Conference in Toronto addressed challenges and successes of entrepreneurs and innovators transforming the financial industry TORONTO, ON / ACCESSWIRE / April 16, 2019 / The National Crowdfunding & Fintech Association (NCFA), the non-profit cross-body organization that promotes and supports fintech and funding throughout Canada, closed its 5th annual flagship Fintech and Financing Conference - FFCON - which featured numerous fintech market leaders, as well as industry experts, government officials, and prominent tech investors. "FEARLESS" was the theme for this year's conference, celebrating the boldness and innovative nature of the FinTech industry, where entrepreneurs constantly challenge pre-existing financial systems with innovative new products and services. The conference brought together more than 500 attendees who experienced keynote speeches, immersive learning, workshops, startup pitch presentations and awards, an exhibitor floor, and networking receptions. Key themes explored at FFCON19: FEARLESS: RISK is a conscious choice and necessary to innovate; Digital trust and security are essential for mass adoption; The digital bank and future of fintech is already here; Collaboration and new social (decentralized) models can revitalize markets controlled by incumbents with too much power and no incentive to change; Private-public market ...
Read More
NCFA 2019 Conference Closes with Renewed Focus on Fostering Innovation in Fintech
Business Insider | Dennis Green | March 25, 2019 Stores that do not accept cash are on the rise, from quick-service lunch spots to Amazon's Go stores. Not accepting cash can speed up lines and make life easier for card-carrying consumers. But a backlash has grown, as the cashless trend leaves out lower-income customers who may not have a bank account. Massachusetts, Philadelphia, and New Jersey have already barred stores from rejecting cash as payment, and New York City and San Francisco are considering similar measures. This could affect the growth of Amazon's physical stores, which do not accept cash. Cashless stores are becoming controversial. See:  Under pressure Amazon plans to accept cash at cashless Go stores Bank Customers Are Primed And Ready For Amazon Stores that do not accept cash are on the rise, from quick-service lunch spots to Amazon's physical stores. Not accepting cash can speed up lines or eliminate them altogether, making life easier for card-carrying consumers. Not everybody is on board with this cashless utopia, however. Backlash has started, as the cashless trend leaves out lower-income customers who may not have a bank account. As of last year, an estimated 15.6 million people in the US ...
Read More
Cities and states around the country are banning stores from refusing to accept cash, and it's a troubling trend for Amazon
Public Policy Forum | Robert Asselin and Sean Speer | April 4, 2019 Rise of the intangibles When New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady played in his first Super Bowl in 2002, there was no iTunes store, no Facebook, no Instagram, no Airbnb, no Gmail and no Skype. Today the companies who own these intangible assets are worth more than $4 trillion. The rise of the intangibles economy will have sweeping policy implications that will become clearer over time. Nobody knows for sure where this is heading. Our overriding objective in this paper is to help catalyze a bi-partisan policy discussion about a new “north star” for Canada’s economic competitiveness and the types of policy reforms needed to start us on this path. As part of this process, we set out a series of policy recommendations that cover the classic drivers of competitiveness such as taxation and regulation and drivers for the intangibles economy such as data governance, intellectual property retention, and the race for talent. But as important as these prescriptions are, the main takeaway for policymakers and the Canadian public is that the rise of the intangibles economy requires that we test old assumptions and are open to ...
Read More
[Report] A New North Star:  Canadian Competitiveness in an Intangibles Economy
NCFA Canada | April 12, 2019 JOIN US ON A STORYTELLING JOURNEY EVERY FRIDAY. Ep30-Apr 12:  The Future of Canadian Crypto With Andrei Poliakov About this episode:  On this episode of the Fintech Fridays Podcast, our Host Manseeb Khan sat down with Andrei Poliakov the CEO of Coinberry. They chatted about the future of Coinberry, the power of blockchain and his favorite failure.  Enjoy! HOST: Manseeb Khan, Fintech Friday's show host GUEST:  ANDREI POLIAKOV, CEO and Co-Founder, Coinberry (Linkedin) BIO:  Andrei is a seasoned entrepreneur having previously launched and managed various start-ups with a strong focus on implementation and early-stage strategy development. Having finished the University of Toronto with a bachelor in Electrical Engineering, Andrei worked in Business Consulting before completing his IMBA at York University, Schulich School of Business. Andrei brings to Coinberry +10 years of algorithm design, management and strategy development experience in various corporate settings with leading multinationals around the world. Subscribe and tune in each Friday to check out the latest movers and shakers in fintech. Listen to more podcasts here: Season 1 | Season 2 Transcription of Interview Intro: Welcome fintech Friday's a weekly podcast brought to you by the National Crowdfunding and Fintech Association of ...
Read More
Ep30-Apr 12:  The Future of Canadian Crypto With Andrei Poliakov
SEC | April 3, 2019 Bill Hinman, Director of Division of Corporation Finance Valerie Szczepanik, Senior Advisor for Digital Assets and Innovation Blockchain and distributed ledger technology can catalyze a wide range of innovation.  We have seen these technologies used to create financial instruments, sometimes in the form of tokens or coins that can provide investment opportunities like those offered through more traditional forms of securities.  Depending on the nature of the digital asset, including what rights it purports to convey and how it is offered and sold, it may fall within the definition of a security under the U.S. federal securities laws. As part of a continuing effort to assist those seeking to comply with the U.S. federal securities laws, FinHub is publishing a framework for analyzing whether a digital asset is offered and sold as an investment contract, and, therefore, is a security.  The framework is not intended to be an exhaustive overview of the law, but rather, an analytical tool to help market participants assess whether the federal securities laws apply to the offer, sale, or resale of a particular digital asset.  Also, the Division of Corporation Finance is issuing a response to a no-action request, indicating that ...
Read More
Statement on “Framework for ‘Investment Contract’ Analysis of Digital Assets”
TechDaily | Stefan Palios  | April 8, 2019 To be fearless, you have to set up the right conditions and environment. Taking this perspective to heart, #FFCON19, a conference put on by the National Crowdfunding & Fintech Association, pondered how to create the right conditions so entrepreneurs can be fearless in their work. From conversations about AI creating fake videos to open banking, the wide-ranging conference detailed that fearlessness comes from using the right tech at the right time, desiring a positive outcome more than wanting to avoid a negative outcome, and putting the right regulations in place. Deep fakes and identifying what’s real Kicking off the conference, entrepreneur Toufi Saliba brought the idea of ‘deep fake’ to the conversation, the premise that artificial intelligence technology can make videos appear to be of certain people. See:  The growing cost of cybersecurity “Deep fake enables everyone with a computer to download software to enable you to put someone speaking in a video, saying something they did not actually say,” Saliba explained. While innocently used in gag videos, the negative side is much more concerning. With this technology, said Saliba, hackers and other malicious actors can declare war, pretending to be a ...
Read More
#FFCON19 talked about how to build trust in the 21st century
Crowdfund Insider | JD Alois | Apr 4, 2019 Canada may be a smaller market but it has a robust, highly sophisticated economy and a vibrant Fintech sector. Toronto, the financial center of the country, is home to dozens of Fintechs including payment firms, online lending, AI, wealth management, blockchain and more. Yet while there are promising indications of financial innovation and a good number risk-taking Fintech entrepreneurs, a recent Canadian report noted a “need for a clear Fintech strategy by the federal and provincial governments with the intent of supporting innovation and growth for the Canadian financial services sector.” Like most other industries, competition in financial services is intense. As it is a highly regulated sector of industry, participants must continuously manage compliance demands while interacting with diverse public officials and regulatory requirements. These same rules, if duplicative or misaligned, can act as a barrier to positive innovation and change that challenges established firms and entrenched orthodoxies. The emergence of Fintech and the digitization of financial services, from banking and beyond, has seen multiple Fintech centers of prominence emerge. The UK has long been known for its Fintech friendly regulatory environment. Regulators frequently engage with emerging new business models ...
Read More
Canada’s Regulatory System for Fintech is Complex, Costly and Chaotic. It is Stifling Fintech Innovation
LAST CHANCE FOR TICKETSApril 3 SOLD OUTApril 4 last block of tickets >90%#FFCON19 “Motivation is the catalyzing ingredient for every successful innovation. The same is true for learning.”  Clayton Christensen FFCON19 is here and officially kicks off tomorrow!  Congrats on the 9 pitching finalists announced Some more speakers added! Brady Fletcher, Managing Director and Head of TSX Venture Exchange Jon Medved, CEO, OurCrowd Fred Pye, CEO, 3iQ Corp Neha Khera, Partner, 500 Startups Alixe Cormick, President, Venture Law Corporation Sandi Gilbert, CEO, InterGen and Chair of NACO David Lucatch, Chairman, Pegasus RJ Reiser, Chief Growth Officer, Polymath Keren, Moynihan, Co-Founder, Boss Insights Check out all 50+ speakers here Please meet FFCON’s Incredible Master of Ceremonies April 3:  Chantel Costa    April 4:  Amy ter Haar Look who’s coming to #FFCON19?  JOIN US!   THANKS TO OUR AWESOME FFCON19 PARTNERS!   HOST: PLATINUM: GOLD PARTNERS: SILVER PARTNERS: ...
Read More
Look Who's Coming to FFCON19!  Last Chance to get Tickets

 

Share